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filters for... (understanding aesthetics of sound)
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filters for... (understanding aesthetics of sound)
I'm trying to not get lost in the jungle of filters in context of modulators and noisy vs tonal enviroments... Generally this stuff is new and old for me. Old, because I work anyway with general concepts of filters (from electronics), and new because I see variations and filter names that I never heard of. So...
For general purpose, I see that RBJ's can do pretty good job (especially if paired via mono4 - at least that came out of my tests), although on the internet some people scream that RBJs are bad. Hearing output - I could argue with that, but need to do more tests on external sounds.
There is RBJ lowpass and hipass, lowshelf and hishelf, bandpass peak and surrouding oriented, notch and peak, so I guess this is a complete general scenario. Or I'm wrong? (I have no idea what for I could use allpass, playing only with filtering).
I see, there are - unstable for high Q but generally interesting - SvF versions of some of these RBJ filters, but have no good idea in what way (in terms of sounding and due slow modulation routines) they might be different from RBJ's. Useful? Not useful?
I see there are butterworth series with rigid slope formation for lowpass/highpass/bandpass/notch. "Equivalents" for lo/hi/band pass from above? I guess not. Or?
I see some chebyshev portions, which may add some interesting aspect of the tone.
And I see some other stuff called after moog and some unfamiliar names.
So my question would be. Creating 5-band filter (designed for noisy and tonal environments) with rich slow modulation and band mixing capabilities - what else would you add or which ones from above would you group in some logical way?
Yeah, I know, very vague question, but oriented towards practical outcomes: sonic variety (thus - reducing similarities and selecting most interesting options) and sonic quality (priority over performance?). I don't want to add zylions of filters because they have different names, I would prefer to make only a few, and extend their inner config options (usually untouched by end user).
For general purpose, I see that RBJ's can do pretty good job (especially if paired via mono4 - at least that came out of my tests), although on the internet some people scream that RBJs are bad. Hearing output - I could argue with that, but need to do more tests on external sounds.
There is RBJ lowpass and hipass, lowshelf and hishelf, bandpass peak and surrouding oriented, notch and peak, so I guess this is a complete general scenario. Or I'm wrong? (I have no idea what for I could use allpass, playing only with filtering).
I see, there are - unstable for high Q but generally interesting - SvF versions of some of these RBJ filters, but have no good idea in what way (in terms of sounding and due slow modulation routines) they might be different from RBJ's. Useful? Not useful?
I see there are butterworth series with rigid slope formation for lowpass/highpass/bandpass/notch. "Equivalents" for lo/hi/band pass from above? I guess not. Or?
I see some chebyshev portions, which may add some interesting aspect of the tone.
And I see some other stuff called after moog and some unfamiliar names.
So my question would be. Creating 5-band filter (designed for noisy and tonal environments) with rich slow modulation and band mixing capabilities - what else would you add or which ones from above would you group in some logical way?
Yeah, I know, very vague question, but oriented towards practical outcomes: sonic variety (thus - reducing similarities and selecting most interesting options) and sonic quality (priority over performance?). I don't want to add zylions of filters because they have different names, I would prefer to make only a few, and extend their inner config options (usually untouched by end user).
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Re: filters for... (understanding aesthetics of sound)
Found some info here, might be useful to others too:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview ... 37&start=0
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview ... 37&start=0
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