If you have a problem or need to report a bug please email : support@dsprobotics.com
There are 3 sections to this support area:
DOWNLOADS: access to product manuals, support files and drivers
HELP & INFORMATION: tutorials and example files for learning or finding pre-made modules for your projects
USER FORUMS: meet with other users and exchange ideas, you can also get help and assistance here
NEW REGISTRATIONS - please contact us if you wish to register on the forum
Users are reminded of the forum rules they sign up to which prohibits any activity that violates any laws including posting material covered by copyright
XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
6 posts
• Page 1 of 1
XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
Here is a Flowstone implementation of the Lipshitz-Vanderkooy XOVER.
- Attachments
-
- XOVER 2-way mono Lipshitz-Vanderkooy (double 2nd-order Butterworth).fsm
- (120.63 KiB) Downloaded 1483 times
Last edited by steph_tsf on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
- steph_tsf
- Posts: 249
- Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:26 pm
Re: XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
I love, when in the middle of the night, I start a schematic and it hits me and my neighbours with a loud white noise or some scary screaming...
There is another practical aspect of saving schematics as "turned off" by default. From time to time, there are situations when schematics simply crash FS/SM on load (FS is more stable than SM in this area). Turning it off - enables environment to stabilize before you do something.
p.s.: Thanks.
There is another practical aspect of saving schematics as "turned off" by default. From time to time, there are situations when schematics simply crash FS/SM on load (FS is more stable than SM in this area). Turning it off - enables environment to stabilize before you do something.
p.s.: Thanks.
Need to take a break? I have something right for you.
Feel free to donate. Thank you for your contribution.
Feel free to donate. Thank you for your contribution.
- tester
- Posts: 1786
- Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:52 pm
- Location: Poland, internet
Re: XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
Does Lipshitz have a little mustachio?
Ah Yes Vanderkooi rings a bell, call me semi ghost.. as in not really anonimous but close.
Ah Yes Vanderkooi rings a bell, call me semi ghost.. as in not really anonimous but close.
In what way do we have to think about it so that we can understand it's simplicity.
-
Magnum Opus - Posts: 6
- Joined: Sat May 25, 2013 1:34 am
Re: XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
Hello, here is an update. The scheme looks attractive.
- Attachments
-
- FFT-based Audio Analyzer (LV xover two BiQuads Q 0.695).png (88.21 KiB) Viewed 23329 times
-
- FFT-based Audio Analyzer (LV xover two BiQuads Q 0.695).fsm
- (333.68 KiB) Downloaded 1442 times
- steph_tsf
- Posts: 249
- Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:26 pm
Re: XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
Just updated with the newest FFT-based Audio Analyzer and IIR filter packs. See the three attached .fsm.
- Attachments
-
- FFT-based Audio Analyzer (LV xover 2 x IIR BiQuads Q 0.695).fsm
- (809.5 KiB) Downloaded 1417 times
-
- FFT-based Audio Analyzer (LV xover 1 x IIR Lowpass Bu-Be).fsm
- (829.64 KiB) Downloaded 1427 times
-
- FFT-based Audio Analyzer (LV xover 2 x IIR Lowpass Bu-Be).fsm
- (812.99 KiB) Downloaded 1420 times
- steph_tsf
- Posts: 249
- Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:26 pm
Re: XOVER Lipshitz-Vanderkooy
Just updated with the 4-channel FFT-based Audio Analyzer. See the attached .fsm
ch1 : reference channel (no need to graph it)
ch2 : lowpass signal
ch3 : highpass signal
ch4 : reconstruction (lowpass + higpass)
reference : ch1
impulse response graph : ch3 (we can also graph ch1 or ch2 impulse response)
For implementing a crossover operating at 2 kHz, we need to configure the Lowpass filter in the LV Xover:
1318 Hz
6th-order
Bessel
We also need to configure the Delay cell in the LV Xover:
14 samples
The resulting graph illustrates the LV Xover behaviour and properties.
Using a 6th-order Bessel lowpass, the Lowpass slope in the transition band looks adequate.
The -6 dB point of the Lowpass is 2 kHz.
The Highpass slope looks adequate.
The -6 dB point of the Highpass is 2 kHz.
When asking the Audio Analyzer to compensate for a delay of 15 samples, we get easy to interpret phase curves.
The Lowpass phase is a typical Bessel one, essentially linear from DC to 2 kHz, appearing horizontal thanks to the 15 samples delay compensation introduced into the 4-channel Audio Analyzer (knob in the left-low corner).
The Highpass phase looks essentially horizontal past 2 kHz.
There is a tiny phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass in the transition band, never exceeding plus or minus 5 degree.
Clearly, the speaker drivers operate in-phase inside the transition band. The multiway loudspeaker wont "beam" particular frequencies at particular angles. The radiation pattern stays homogeneous.
Below 2 kHz, there is indeed a phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass. The frequency corresponding to a 22.5 degree phase difference (still considered as a benign phase difference) is 900 Hz. At such frequency the Lowpass surpasses the Highpass by 19 dB in magnitude. The contribution of the Highpass can be neglected.
Above 2 kHz, there is indeed a phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass. The frequency corresponding to a 22.5 degree phase difference (still considered as a benign phase difference) is 3.2 kHz. At such frequency the Highpass surpasses the Lowpass by 24 dB in magnitude. The contribution of the Lowpass can be neglected.
The Lowpass + Highpass summation delivers a signal exhibiting a flat phase and a flat magnitude, from DC to 22 kHz. Such Xover doesn't distort the phase. A pulse signal will show as a pulse signal, after the crossover. This a decisive advantage compared to the Linkwitz-Riley Xover that we find in most multiway speakers. The Linkwitz-Riley Xover disturbs the phase to the point that a pulse signal will appear as a burst extending over time, after the crossover.
So, what's the catch of the LV Xover?
Is there any drawback? Why are not all digital Xovers proposing the LV Xover modality?
Actually you can't define the Highpass slope per se. Provided the Delay is optimally configured, the Highpass slope is a pseudo 3rd-order Butterworth. See the attached .fsm
If you dare proposing a LV Xover modality in your next digital Xover, you will face customers having selected the "6th-order Bessel LV Xover", pretending that your software is malfunctioning as the Highpass slope is not a 6th-order.
Cheers,
Steph
ch1 : reference channel (no need to graph it)
ch2 : lowpass signal
ch3 : highpass signal
ch4 : reconstruction (lowpass + higpass)
reference : ch1
impulse response graph : ch3 (we can also graph ch1 or ch2 impulse response)
For implementing a crossover operating at 2 kHz, we need to configure the Lowpass filter in the LV Xover:
1318 Hz
6th-order
Bessel
We also need to configure the Delay cell in the LV Xover:
14 samples
The resulting graph illustrates the LV Xover behaviour and properties.
Using a 6th-order Bessel lowpass, the Lowpass slope in the transition band looks adequate.
The -6 dB point of the Lowpass is 2 kHz.
The Highpass slope looks adequate.
The -6 dB point of the Highpass is 2 kHz.
When asking the Audio Analyzer to compensate for a delay of 15 samples, we get easy to interpret phase curves.
The Lowpass phase is a typical Bessel one, essentially linear from DC to 2 kHz, appearing horizontal thanks to the 15 samples delay compensation introduced into the 4-channel Audio Analyzer (knob in the left-low corner).
The Highpass phase looks essentially horizontal past 2 kHz.
There is a tiny phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass in the transition band, never exceeding plus or minus 5 degree.
Clearly, the speaker drivers operate in-phase inside the transition band. The multiway loudspeaker wont "beam" particular frequencies at particular angles. The radiation pattern stays homogeneous.
Below 2 kHz, there is indeed a phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass. The frequency corresponding to a 22.5 degree phase difference (still considered as a benign phase difference) is 900 Hz. At such frequency the Lowpass surpasses the Highpass by 19 dB in magnitude. The contribution of the Highpass can be neglected.
Above 2 kHz, there is indeed a phase difference between the Lowpass and the Highpass. The frequency corresponding to a 22.5 degree phase difference (still considered as a benign phase difference) is 3.2 kHz. At such frequency the Highpass surpasses the Lowpass by 24 dB in magnitude. The contribution of the Lowpass can be neglected.
The Lowpass + Highpass summation delivers a signal exhibiting a flat phase and a flat magnitude, from DC to 22 kHz. Such Xover doesn't distort the phase. A pulse signal will show as a pulse signal, after the crossover. This a decisive advantage compared to the Linkwitz-Riley Xover that we find in most multiway speakers. The Linkwitz-Riley Xover disturbs the phase to the point that a pulse signal will appear as a burst extending over time, after the crossover.
So, what's the catch of the LV Xover?
Is there any drawback? Why are not all digital Xovers proposing the LV Xover modality?
Actually you can't define the Highpass slope per se. Provided the Delay is optimally configured, the Highpass slope is a pseudo 3rd-order Butterworth. See the attached .fsm
If you dare proposing a LV Xover modality in your next digital Xover, you will face customers having selected the "6th-order Bessel LV Xover", pretending that your software is malfunctioning as the Highpass slope is not a 6th-order.
Cheers,
Steph
- Attachments
-
- XOVER 2-way mono Lipshitz-Vanderkooy (2 kHz - Single Bessel 6th Order) (600).png (85.99 KiB) Viewed 23248 times
-
- XOVER 2-way mono Lipshitz-Vanderkooy (2 kHz - Single Bessel 6th Order - Highpass comparison).fsm
- (1.89 MiB) Downloaded 1870 times
-
- XOVER 2-way mono Lipshitz-Vanderkooy (2 kHz - Single Bessel 6th Order).fsm
- (1.7 MiB) Downloaded 1439 times
- steph_tsf
- Posts: 249
- Joined: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:26 pm
6 posts
• Page 1 of 1
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 69 guests