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Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
tulamide wrote:Something like this? I might have misunderstood. That's normal, when I don't read a super precise text that covers all eventualities
Not exactly... but close.
The separation has to be between the knob-interaction part and the preset module (Param-prim).
In other words one knob (excluding the preset module) instead switching between several preset-modules.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Is this more like what you have in mind?
Seems to work…
Seems to work…
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Spogg wrote:Is this more like what you have in mind?
Naaaw... like this... or any simplified variation of it. Well, this seems to work also.
Hmmm... this seemed to easy. Why on earth didn't I try this sooner and why do I always become suspicious that things won't work in the real scenario when something is this simple in FS
I think I have the record now for "most and largest" selectors and multiplexors ever, even before a mod like this would be done
Edit #2:
At least for my purposes with the knob Spogg posted, I needed trigger switches to block value from the knob interaction-module overwriting the selected presets value. Added them to the file.
Edit #3:
Also the "set" trigger switch and redraw limiter part of the preset modules has been moved to after the selector.
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Last edited by R&R on Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:22 am, edited 7 times in total.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Your solution is similar but better than mine. In yours I believe the selected preset will allow the knob to show automation movement on the GUI. Also I like the fact that the destination selected for the knob is recalled in the preset, whereas mine didn’t do that. Well done!
I suggest you make something dead simple and test it in a VST export in your DAW, just in case it needs more attention.
I suggest you make something dead simple and test it in a VST export in your DAW, just in case it needs more attention.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Was afraid it would glitch when changing presets, that's why I never bothered to try it before. Also the reason I
enquired about it...
Dead simple it is... Throwing it in my plugin right away then
The layout of my synth allows for changing out a any number so I can try with 30 of these and test out for a while to see if it acts up when changing presets with such large schematic as a whole....
Suspect I can make away with several hundred kilobytes worth of schematic size if it works. That's great...
Edit:
Quoting and correcting myself. I suspect instances (copies) stays copies inside .fsm files but likely do consume ram memory. So I should see a dip in ram usage by the plugin or FS as I reduce instances? But file size should roughly stay the same, I guess.
Wonder how FS handles instances in exports? I guess the FS-engine stays the same in the exports...
enquired about it...
Spogg wrote:I suggest you make something dead simple and test it in a VST export in your DAW, just in case it needs more attention.
Dead simple it is... Throwing it in my plugin right away then
The layout of my synth allows for changing out a any number so I can try with 30 of these and test out for a while to see if it acts up when changing presets with such large schematic as a whole....
Suspect I can make away with several hundred kilobytes worth of schematic size if it works. That's great...
Edit:
I think my .fsm at that time was at 8mb... I don't know the exact size at which it failed.
Suspect I can make away with several hundred kilobytes worth of schematic size if it works.
Quoting and correcting myself. I suspect instances (copies) stays copies inside .fsm files but likely do consume ram memory. So I should see a dip in ram usage by the plugin or FS as I reduce instances? But file size should roughly stay the same, I guess.
Wonder how FS handles instances in exports? I guess the FS-engine stays the same in the exports...
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Yay! v0.41
Finally got poly2mono LFO modulation to fly. Not the most beautiful solution but it seems to work.
Also noticed I had sabotaged my pitch and velocity modulation in previous export (maybe even some earlier versions). Fixed and updated.
Finally got poly2mono LFO modulation to fly. Not the most beautiful solution but it seems to work.
Also noticed I had sabotaged my pitch and velocity modulation in previous export (maybe even some earlier versions). Fixed and updated.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Trying to reduce and micro-optimize some more.
Would be really nice to use the syncable LFO oscillators that Spogg posted earlier...
The transition time seems like a great option instead of the toolbox smoothing I resorted to.
Don't know if you can help me with this one also Martin? In case you're very restless maybe
I won't be doing my own ASM any time soon
The issue preventing me from using them was (if I remember) that these LFO Osc's don't offset phase when receiving sync.
Would be really nice to use the syncable LFO oscillators that Spogg posted earlier...
The transition time seems like a great option instead of the toolbox smoothing I resorted to.
Don't know if you can help me with this one also Martin? In case you're very restless maybe
I won't be doing my own ASM any time soon
The issue preventing me from using them was (if I remember) that these LFO Osc's don't offset phase when receiving sync.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Btw I created a Frankenstein triangle using Poly that's inside my plugin.
Somehow... I suspect you've already made one of these in ASM MV?
Somehow... I suspect you've already made one of these in ASM MV?
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
I think, this might be a triangle, multiplied 2 time by itself.
In this case, the triangle might be aliased unless we use special technique.
I don't know how to make it bandlimited with the Blep or Poly blep..
But you could oversample or use a filter before the multiplication.
The x^3 do one harmonic at 1.5 octave.
In this case, the triangle might be aliased unless we use special technique.
I don't know how to make it bandlimited with the Blep or Poly blep..
But you could oversample or use a filter before the multiplication.
The x^3 do one harmonic at 1.5 octave.
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Re: Newbie question. Mixing Poly and Mono in schematics?
Tepeix wrote:I think, this might be a triangle, multiplied 2 time by itself.
In this case, the triangle might be aliased unless we use special technique.
I don't know how to make it bandlimited with the Blep or Poly blep..
But you could oversample or use a filter before the multiplication.
The x^3 do one harmonic at 1.5 octave.
Yes it's a x^3...
I'm feeding the regular toolbox triangle osc into some multiplier-prims etc so I can mix between the these curves seamlessly at any rate. It does have some aliasing...
For my needs however, this poly-prim solution has almost non existing aliasing in the LFO range.
But it's not very optimal overall, since it probably uses alot of unnessecary cpu... since i am also forced to use the toolbox triangle, or a DSP triangle.
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