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WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

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WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby RJHollins » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:13 am

A little fried at the moment ... trying to troubleshoot an issue.

I working FS from an WinXP system. A friend is testing my VST plug on Win8.

The issue. I'm writing a configuration file [standard TXT file] in a folder using MY Documents. Using the SYSTEM primitive to obtain this.

On XP ... everything is working just as designed, however ... on friends Win8 system, the config file does not seem to write ... or overwrite. I quite sure the file is being found. I'm using TROG's LOAD/SAVE module [with AUTO mode on]. I have changed the folder link to use the Documents folder ... and like I say, working great on my XP system. Both from FS and when I run the plugin inside REAPER.

Is there anything different between these to OP systems that could be causing this issue.

Like I say ... a bit burnt from troubleshooting emails back and forth. Just wondering :?
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby Nubeat7 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:53 am

are u using SysFolder prim for selecting the destinationfolder? if so try 40 it works here on my win 7 machine

http://www.installmate.com/support/im9/ ... csidls.htm

here is a list of the csidl enumeration + windows version nr - i think when its working in vista it should work in win 7/8 too, i also had the issue that some of the ids where not working, maybe it has something to do with the rights of the user?
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby Walter Sommerfeld » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:04 am

I use the SysFolders AppData (in Win8: C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming) with added "\Appnamefolder"...

Works fine!
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby RJHollins » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:46 pm

Nubeat7 wrote:are u using SysFolder prim for selecting the destinationfolder? if so try 40 it works here on my win 7 machine

http://www.installmate.com/support/im9/ ... csidls.htm

here is a list of the csidl enumeration + windows version nr - i think when its working in vista it should work in win 7/8 too, i also had the issue that some of the ids where not working, maybe it has something to do with the rights of the user?


Hi NuBeat,

Yes, I'm using the SysFolder prim ... but I didn't use any 'csidl' at the input of it. [I thought that was something optional or for very specific]. Am I wrong about that ??? :o

I'm looking at the table you linked.

# 40 ---> The user's profile folder. is this the one you mean ??

cause why I look at the table, I see:

#5 - CSIDL_MYDOCUMENTS 5 0x05 6.0 The virtual folder representing the My Documents desktop item.

which is the location I was using via the prim.

I need to have easy access to write a simple TXT file to save/load a configuration file. I'm having a heck of a time, as what I have in schematic works perfectly on my XP system ... this morning my test bud says it not working on his Win8 system :cry: This was suppose to be the simple part of the project !! :roll:
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby Nubeat7 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:05 am

RJHollins wrote:I'm looking at the table you linked.

# 40 ---> The user's profile folder. is this the one you mean ??

cause why I look at the table, I see:

#5 - CSIDL_MYDOCUMENTS 5 0x05 6.0 The virtual folder representing the My Documents desktop item.

..

think the bestway is just to try it out.. i also would try the app out, what walter is using, sadly this also didnt work here, maybe it was because of userrights?..

would be cool to know which ones are working for you, i found this really annoying to try out everything till finding one which works, so i didn`t spend a lot of time with it after finding a working one
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby RJHollins » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:36 am

Hi NuBeat ...

as I'm now splattering this info in several threads ... why not this one too :lol:

I've now opt'd to use the 'FOLDER' primitive, which provides the start location of the VST/EXE.

This is working out very well on several levels!

Always ... appreciate all your help !

Thank-you.
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby Drnkhobo » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:09 am

Hey guys, ive rad this thread and I must say that I have been having troubles like you cant believe with the damn save/loading of files in a VST. Ive used the sysfolder prim, ive used Ruby modules, everything to reference that folder.

From my tests ive found that FS vst's LOVE FLStudio. . . never had a problem at all. Then comes Live & Cubase, Studio One ect. . . nope, only in some cases (cant tell exactly cause both 32 & 64 bit) does it work.

I have been trying to eliminate the reasons (Permissions, folder access, Ruby modules in my schm?) but I cant seem to find it. Its really pissing me off.

Now on my machine (32bit, Bootcamp) I have no issues. But then most of my users have been having them with different setups. It DOES come down to the fact that its NOT loading a file when it should be. Obviously the path to the file is somehow blocked/corrupted. . . I dunno anymore! Its weird cause I can save the file to my desired location (Appdata/Roaming/) with no issues, but when I want to load it again . . . wont work!?!?!?!? :shock: wtf?


There, thats my bit


EDIT* Mr Hollins, I see you have used Trog's SAVE/LOAD module, could you post the link to the thread where its up, or maybe post it here? Id like to take a look at it :)
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby RJHollins » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:22 am

Hi Drnkhobo,

If you mean the thread that includes the Marshal save/load of arrays thread ... its this one:
http://www.dsprobotics.com/support/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1747

You can read a similar horror story that you just relayed ...

I 'think' we have it solved ... but just moments ago I got a message sent of a problem. Not quite sure if my re-assembly messed something up ... :o But I sent the very latest version that I tested [VST] and it was working on my XP-32 machine. My tester is on Win8.1

He may have bagged it for the nite, so it may be tomarrow before I know what's going on.

Regardless ... this has been a HUGE nightmare. It has stopped my project in its tracks before it can even be evaluated. I can't even test for it, as it all works on my machine [otherwise I'd never send it out for testing].

Please keep us posted as to what's happening with you project, as this has been a major problem that shouldn't be ... I was just writing a plain TXT file ... and that was not working.

TROG has presented an option that seemed to work ... but maybe there is still an issue ... I'll know more about this later ! :roll:
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby Drnkhobo » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:26 am

Thanks Mr. Hollins, I will take a look at the Marshall method although im not to happy leaving it all up to Ruby tbh. Ive had my issues with her as well!

It is a nightmare that something so simple (i am also saving text files) could be such a problem. I guess it is down to the multiple setups on which we run our apps. But F it, its not like we are asking to launch a missile or something!

Keep us updated on your tests & I will let you guys know how I fair. . . hopefully between us we can get it to work!

Thanks guys!
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Re: WinXP - Win 8 --- something I need to know ?!?

Postby RJHollins » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:36 am

I will definately post on this !!!

I've rewritten, and modified my schematic so many times to try to isolate what could be causing this ... you are absolutely right ... this is a simple text file ... come on !! :evil:

I too was reluctant to go the RUBY route ... particularly writing files ... because I know just enough RUBY to be very dangerous :roll:

When TROG presented the Marshal solution, it worked fine on my system, and was really easy to customize ... PLUS, the way it works is very nice as a routine. But at first we still had problem.

Then Trog suggested a simple mod in the RUBY to set a Raw Binary status ... then things worked ... as a stand alone app. Now we're testing the VST version. If this is different, and doesn't work .... I'm toast :|

a side thought ... are WE the, now, ONLY 2 to have this issue happening ?!?!?!?!

That is why I was convinced it was my error .... somewhere ... but I can't find it.

fingers-crossed for resolution of this!
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